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LC RESLOC313W. Earl Twp. PIC w/ENTRAP 12.14.2008 « Thread Started on Dec 14, 2008, 8:06pm »
WEST EARL TOWNSHIP LANCASTER COUNTY, PA BOX ALARM 313 PIC w/ENTRAPMENT ROUTE 222 SOUTH BOUND C/S POOL ROAD Reported one pick-up into a bridge reported on fire with no one getting out.
Patrol Car 88-6 advising communications that he will need two tow units to the scene... one for a Dodge 2500 pick-up truck and for a large trailer attached to the truck.
Command advising Medevac 8 is in flight with patient aboard @ 21:20 hours.
Re: LC RESLOC313W. Earl Twp. PIC w/ENTRAP 12.14.20 « Reply #3 on Dec 14, 2008, 9:47pm »
I'm curious about the pictures, hopefully they're up soon. I was at walmart when this was dispatched so I didn't have my camera. Hopefully the PT or PTs will be ok!
As for crowd control on the overpass, they really cant tell people to leave can they? Maybe people just checking it out, but if your taking pictures they cant ask you to leave. You can hide behind "photographer rights" correct?
I'm curious about the pictures, hopefully they're up soon. I was at walmart when this was dispatched so I didn't have my camera. Hopefully the PT or PTs will be ok!
As for crowd control on the overpass, they really cant tell people to leave can they? Maybe people just checking it out, but if your taking pictures they cant ask you to leave. You can hide behind "photographer rights" correct?
I think the crowd control was for safety due to aero-medical landing close to overpass.
As for pictures... Depends on your working relationship with local emergency crews and how the scene is being handled... basically, if a general member of the public can be there, you can too taking photographs. The only thing photography right protect you from is if they ask you to stop taking photographs from a controled area with the general public.
Re: LC RESLOC313W. Earl Twp. PIC w/ENTRAP 12.14.20 « Reply #6 on Dec 14, 2008, 10:02pm »
I guess thats true, but it would depend on how close it is i guess. from the pictures i always get on rt 222 i am always on the overpasses, and never had a problem. even with helicopters they usually land further down. if someone were to tell me to leave because its landing, i'd get in my car and drive down and park off the over pass, and wait for it to land, then go back to taking pictures. a road is public property, and being on an overpass isnt being in the way of the operations of whats going on below. but i can understand the issue of it landing/taking off, but in between they can't do anything i would think.
I guess thats true, but it would depend on how close it is i guess. from the pictures i always get on rt 222 i am always on the overpasses, and never had a problem. even with helicopters they usually land further down. if someone were to tell me to leave because its landing, i'd get in my car and drive down and park off the over pass, and wait for it to land, then go back to taking pictures. a road is public property, and being on an overpass isnt being in the way of the operations of whats going on below. but i can understand the issue of it landing/taking off, but in between they can't do anything i would think.
Was there an issue with photographers on scene? or is this just a general question for what could happen?
I know most of the Police/Fire Departments in that area, and they are the most under standing officers when it comes to fire ground photographers. Id say if there is a problem they will give it just cause and will never hassle anyone for no reason.
But, just because you have a camera doesn't give you anymore rights then anyone from the general public. As stated before, "Photographer rights" just protects you if they try to make you more restricted from the area then anyone else from the general public.
Re: LC RESLOC313W. Earl Twp. PIC w/ENTRAP 12.14.20 « Reply #9 on Dec 14, 2008, 11:55pm »
Chris,
No it was just an in general question, i've never had a problem. I've spoke with a few people at 3-13 earlier this year and they have no problems with me going out to their calls and taking pictures, as long as i send them some for their site. I was just curious though as photographers in general, not just in our county but anywhere.
I guess thats true, but it would depend on how close it is i guess. from the pictures i always get on rt 222 i am always on the overpasses, and never had a problem. even with helicopters they usually land further down. if someone were to tell me to leave because its landing, i'd get in my car and drive down and park off the over pass, and wait for it to land, then go back to taking pictures. a road is public property, and being on an overpass isnt being in the way of the operations of whats going on below. but i can understand the issue of it landing/taking off, but in between they can't do anything i would think.
Dane, You are completely correct about the road being public property however there were other issues involved with the people on the overpass. The helicopter cleared the over pass by about 10 feet so that was an issue also the other issue was people leaning over the railing trying to see what was happening. Command 3-13 made the right decision to remove the crowd before someone fell off the overpass onto the highway. Yes it can be a touchy situation but knowing the reason was safety of the "rubberneckers" I would have to agree with commands decision.
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