schmidty
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Post by schmidty on Nov 12, 2007 22:51:35 GMT -5
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Post by irons on Nov 13, 2007 13:48:51 GMT -5
OK A COUPLE THINGS...How about proper PPE...SCBA< FULL GEAR READY TO GO! One guy had to kick his leather out of the flames and put it out it was on fire!!!! Also you have guys inside beatin up the windows that are already vented....how about you pull the ceilings so you can get at the fire to save the truck company's already toasty ass!!!
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Post by cooter on Nov 13, 2007 18:52:40 GMT -5
oK A COUPLE THINGS...How about proper PPE...SCBA< FULL GEAR READY TO GO! One guy had to kick his leather out of the flames and put it out it was on fire!!!! Also you have guys inside beatin up the windos that are already vented....how about you pull the ceilings so you can get at the fire to save the truck company's already toasty ass!!! I agree with your comments except one. Not to under mind you, you must not do much truck work. He was taking out the casing of the windows on what you thought was "beating" on them... it's all a part of checking for fire extension. IDK how you guys "truck" a room, but out here we take EVERYTHING out when were told to truck an entire room and that room in the video had been well involved. Then again who knows who opened up int here or if they could even open that ceiling up... too many "what ifs" to really criticize. Safe to say that everything wall to wall, ceiling to floor needed to be taken out. I am going to write them and request that video in DVD format for training records... FYI notice how wobbly those lightweight aluminum aerials are? Not to bash Boston Fire in anyway, but to paint a picture that this job is dangerous and you need to be aware... they did the right thing by getting off any way possible. PPE is a MUST!!! |
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Post by PUMP on Nov 13, 2007 19:12:03 GMT -5
Yeah, if your going to crack a window, might as well clear it out for safety reasons. Not only does it provide ventilation, its also point of egress if or when the job turns bad... as it did in this video.
I think the operator of that ladder truck need to learn his controls better, and people wonder why that Pierce Ladder buckled...
Im always thrilled to see Boston work, great guys... know a couple but some of there ways are still stuck in the past.
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Post by litick on Nov 13, 2007 20:31:47 GMT -5
Im gonna go with irons on this one. There is no way this fire is U/C and their checking for extension. They have fire rolling and blowing over there heads. Keep your masks on and pull the ceilings. And a nice way to get your leather salty. But why did the LCC move the stick and leave the members on the roof cut off?
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Post by PUMP on Nov 14, 2007 11:14:57 GMT -5
Im gonna go with irons on this one. There is no way this fire is U/C and their checking for extension. They have fire rolling and blowing over there heads. Keep your masks on and pull the ceilings. And a nice way to get your leather salty. But why did the LCC move the stick and leave the members on the roof cut off? Honestly... I dont think the crews on the floor below knew what was going on above them... With that cockloft shooting that heavy of fire, I dont know anyone in their right mind would be checking for extension below. This video really should be an awaking to the Boston FD and other departments on proper ladder placement and PPE use! Thank god no one was killed. |
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Post by PUMP on Nov 14, 2007 13:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by engine922 on Nov 14, 2007 14:08:20 GMT -5
I will say one thing.....WTF were they thinking!!!!!
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Post by irons on Nov 16, 2007 15:50:50 GMT -5
I agree with your comments except one. Not to under mind you, you must not do much truck work. He was taking out the casing of the windows on what you thought was "beating" on them... it's all a part of checking for fire extension. IDK how you guys "truck" a room, but out here we take EVERYTHING out when were told to truck an entire room and that room in the video had been well involved. Then again who knows who opened up int here or if they could even open that ceiling up... too many "what ifs" to really criticize. Safe to say that everything wall to wall, ceiling to floor needed to be taken out.
I am going to write them and request that video in DVD format for training records... FYI notice how wobbly those lightweight aluminum aerials are? Not to bash Boston Fire in anyway, but to paint a picture that this job is dangerous and you need to be aware... they did the right thing by getting off any way possible. PPE is a MUST!!! - Tons o' Fun I see your point and for the record I am very familiar with truck work, being a big guy i very rarley get stuck on the knob (thank christ!). However From my experience in order to conduct quality overhaul you have to atleast have the fire semi UNDER CONTROL. i think you missread my post however, for all we know like pump said there may have been a discrepancy with the guys inside not knowing that they are inside a ticking time bomb with a fire thats about to flash through the cockloft right above their heads. Boston is a very busy and very respected department that i am in know way trying to bash or mar, however as brother firemen it is our obligation to question and critique our actions on the fireground for training purposes and our collective benfit. On a second note i wonder what happened to the interior crews after the guys bailed off the roof??? |
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Post by cooter on Nov 16, 2007 19:44:22 GMT -5
I agree with your comments except one. Not to under mind you, you must not do much truck work. He was taking out the casing of the windows on what you thought was "beating" on them... it's all a part of checking for fire extension. IDK how you guys "truck" a room, but out here we take EVERYTHING out when were told to truck an entire room and that room in the video had been well involved. Then again who knows who opened up int here or if they could even open that ceiling up... too many "what ifs" to really criticize. Safe to say that everything wall to wall, ceiling to floor needed to be taken out.
I am going to write them and request that video in DVD format for training records... FYI notice how wobbly those lightweight aluminum aerials are? Not to bash Boston Fire in anyway, but to paint a picture that this job is dangerous and you need to be aware... they did the right thing by getting off any way possible. PPE is a MUST!!! - Tons o' Fun I see your point and for the record I am very familiar with truck work, being a big guy i very rarley get stuck on the knob (thank christ!). However From my experience in order to conduct quality overhaul you have to atleast have the fire semi UNDER CONTROL. i think you missread my post however, for all we know like pump said there may have been a discrepancy with the guys inside not knowing that they are inside a ticking time bomb with a fire thats about to flash through the cockloft right above their heads. Boston is a very busy and very respected department that i am in know way trying to bash or mar, however as brother firemen it is our obligation to question and critique our actions on the fireground for training purposes and our collective benfit. On a second note i wonder what happened to the interior crews after the guys bailed off the roof??? yeah agreed 100%!!!  I wasn't trying to belittle you at all... we all question each other as fellow FF's to better ourselves. Well said man... |
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I wasn't trying to belittle you at all... we all question each other as fellow FF's to better ourselves. Well said man...