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Post by PUMP on Aug 24, 2007 22:20:37 GMT -5
EAST COCALICO TOWNSHIP LANCASTER COUNTY, PA
BOX AREA 13 PIC w/ENTRAPMENT
719 REINHOLDS ROAD C/S SMOKESTOWN ROAD
Reported one vehicle into a tree with people trapped.
BOX ASSIGNMENT
ENGINE 13-1
RESCUE SQUAD 13
AMBULANCE 17
MEDIC 4
Chief 13 O/S with multiple people trapped, Vehicle into tree.
EMS requesting the direct fly of an aero-medical unit, extended extrication.
ADD
AMBULANCE 18-1
PENN STAR 4
LANDING ZONE
ENGINE 19-1
ADD
RESCUE SQUAD 115, 85-1(BERKS), 85-2(BERKS)
Command requesting a 2nd Aero-Medical unit to fly direct, LZ will be behind the 13 House.
RUNNING EXTRA
SQUAD 115-2
2ND LANDING ZONE
ENGINE 18-1
SKYCARE
ADD
AMBULANCE 18-2
TRANSFER ASSIGNMENT
ENGINE 18-1 to the 13 House
RESCUE SQUAD 39 to the 115 House
PD requesting a Rollback tow for one Dodge Dakota Pick-up truck.
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Post by PUMP on Aug 25, 2007 23:10:25 GMT -5
I have two Questions. 1.) Can anyone from 13, 115 or 85 (Berks) or anyother Rescue Company onscene give me how long it took to extricate the two patients from the pick-up truck. 2.) What was the reason for three or four fully stocked Rescue Squads for this single vehicle crash... Manpower? Tool problems? Thanks. Oh yeah... Pictures posted on 13's website www.Denfire.com |
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Post by crazydawg6919 on Aug 26, 2007 9:12:32 GMT -5
from the guy i was talking to from 1-15 they were working on the truck for almost 2 hours to rescue the second victim. sounded pretty nasty the way they hit. i was checking the pics out and could see why it took so long.
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Post by firefrog on Aug 26, 2007 11:38:46 GMT -5
In short the passenger side A post was folded down on the victim. The passenger door had rolled down on to the victim. This delayed removal of the roof. After the roof was removed the driver was extracted. Many tools were required to lif the dash and the door off the second victim. The heat, humidity, the tree and victim demanded additional manpower and resources. Every unit on scene was fully staffed and very well coordinated. The three companies all seemed to agree on what need to be done and continued seamlessly in rotation. The largest issue was extricating the victim without cause additional injury. I would actually like to be there when they review this call, and see what could been done differently or better if anything. I was there and I think the victims are lucky two times, number one that they didn't die and number that the scene commander used all the resources available to him. I think pride can cause more problems.
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Post by PUMP on Aug 26, 2007 12:50:03 GMT -5
After looking over the pictures...
*Was a full frontal displacement of the vehicle an option?
I.E. (Using releif cuts, Hi-lift Jack or Large rams and or come along system together to completely fold the front of the truck forward and rear backwards.)
I just find it hard to believe any Department finds it acceptable for it to take over two hours to extricate a patient from a single vehicle crash. I would really think a full review of this crash along with many others with all Departments involved would help improve extication times in the future.
(I did not want to sound like a complete a**hole... And im sure things were done completely professional by everyone onscene... once again good job on the extrication.)
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Post by 23HVFC on Aug 26, 2007 14:06:34 GMT -5
2 HOURS!!!! So much for the golden hour rule. Im sure everyone did the best they could, in they story I posted a few days ago of our crash it was 91 degrees and high humidity and the middle of they day and the guys we extricated was heavily entrapped. I managed to get my hands on a video of the entire extrication and it took 28 min. In my article I said it took 35-40 min, I was mistaken. The video is pretty sweet but good job for the men and women on this crash, PUMP by the looks of the pictures your idea would have probably worked.
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Post by fred13 on Aug 26, 2007 15:52:27 GMT -5
The ext time for 1st vic was 54 min. the ext time on 2nd vic was 1hr34min.we had to remove driver to get to the passenger who was under the dash and passenger door.The reason for 3 rescues were for experienced man power do to heat,humidity and complexity of the rescue.I would like to thank all companys that responded.hell of a job. deputy 1-3
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Post by firefrog on Aug 26, 2007 17:07:07 GMT -5
Pump you are being a bit of an A@@hole, Your assesment is very Much Monday morning quaterback. That sounds like a wonderful idea today. Different when you are their and totally aware every little nuance of the situation.
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Post by PUMP on Aug 26, 2007 17:28:42 GMT -5
I truely didnt mean or want to sound like an A&&hole or a monday morning QB... I know alot of the members at RS 115 and many of them run with the 13 House... Both Departments were on the assignment... So I know first hand how great they are at the job they do... I don't doubt them for one second with any operational decision's made on scene. But the question still remains, Was total frontal displacement on that vehicle an option for quicker extrication? The reason I ask this is because of the full entrapment of the passenger under the dash and A-post. I know in the heat of battle and your working your asses off to save a life things get over looked... In no way am I QB'in this incident. Like I stated before, I don't doubt the Rescue Companies for one second with any operational decision's made on scene. Like you said... I wasn't there, nor do I know what the little nuance's involved with the crash... But its always great to share your departments experiances and problems... We all learn from each others incidents, share what worked and didn't. Til then stay cool & safe!  |
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Post by firefrog on Aug 26, 2007 23:03:38 GMT -5
This is what we do! Stay cool
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